Defining "trad" would be helpful. While the Little House on the Prairie crowd is a real thing, I know many ardent traditionalists working in media, finance, medicine, federal LEO roles, etc. Not every TLM attendee is an ignorant peasant, as this article seems to imply. Also, not everyone is cut out for the elite. Those people should not be told that they are failing their Country and their family by aspiring in proportion to their abilities.
Like protestants are solo-scriptura Christians I would consider trads as solo-missa Catholics. The idea that the Latin Mass and large families alone will stop the spread of the errors of communism without action.
This article lacks coherence. The author seems to be attempting to criticize some theory about how young people should go about their lives in their 20s, but this isn't specified. Who are these "trads?" What precisely are they saying? There is a lot of random criticism of advice given to young adults, but nothing offered in its place. Something about a vague battle to be fought. How? We are not told.
Education is great. We really do need more of our people in the commanding heights, but counseling literally everyone to spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to college is idiotic. That's a huge problem we have. The trades can be a solid route to local influence in the community. If Zoomer Zane has a 105 IQ, why send him into debt slavery at college?
Eschewing family? Why? If the culture can produce warrior monks, then so be it. But can it? It can't even produce good fathers (mostly because women refuse to be good wives and mothers). Why counsel families to contracept and avoid having children? Is it worth it to win the temporal battle but lose our souls?
Maybe we have to fight with the army we have. Maybe we have to play the long game. I wish the author the best with his education!
Get married have children and be there for your family. That will change the world! My dad was a door to door milkman , my parents had four children three boys and a girl, we live in a very small two bedroom converted attic home, the brother closest to me and myself both thought we were rich! Mom said she didn’t have enough at the end of the month to buy us an ice cream cone! We had God fearing parents who were wonderful ! You can’t get richer than that!
Take it from an old Catholic deacon from liberal California, when you see your old friends and family members broken hearted because they didn't have kids or their kids aren't producing grandchildren, you will know the devastating effect of the "small family mentality." When I see young couples in their late 20's and 30's come into the church to discuss getting married and we discuss Catholic teaching on contraception, they usually get a desperate look in their eyes and say, don't worry, we just hope we can have have kids. That is when I see the shocking effect of the "Wait until we get through college and get settled in our career" mentality. Psalm 90 says, "Lord let us know the shortness of our lives." These are wise words.
You lost me at Machiavelli. The evangelical counsels are poverty, chastity, and obedience. They’re counsels because that’s how Jesus expects most people to live and all people to at least some degree. More was accomplished by St. Joseph the carpenter living by these simple principles than all those who habituated themselves to the lust for power and money.
There might be some few who, like Catherine of Siena, Joan of Arc, or Daniel, first schooled in the discipline of prayer and confirmed in grace, might be called to take up heroic roles of leadership. There might also be some who already find themselves elites, like Louis IX or Richard Cœur de Lion, that are called to heroic leadership due to their state in life. However, to blank call for the masses to enter into the arena like this is to call people to corruption and hell.
Sorry, I'll read the rest later, busy harvesting Summer fruit crops and veggies with my wife, In preparation for the Dormition and the rest of the year.
I love the Latin Mass but some families call themselves “the new vendee” but then cowardly say they can’t fight their school board or library because they don’t want any negative attention on their family.
Sister Lucia complained about this in Portugal. She said the faith for most was a nice jacket people would wear on Sundays and on the rest of the week they were indistinguishable from their atheist and socialist neighbors.
It won’t, and the reason it won’t is because people yearn for it.
The people who yearn for it(myself included) and the people who got to see a glimpse of it(also myself included…growing up in a mix of rural and urban environments really showed me the contrast) simply want this:
A high trust, orderly, relatively homogenous and religious society.
That’s all there is to it.
It isn’t a call for technological Luddism or for a literal return to the past but rather a return for the Geist or spirit of the past, people miss the order, the social structures, the absence of crime and the sense of unity provided by relative ideological, religious and yes to a degree also ethnic homogeneity.
These things are grounding and rewarding because they are ultimately true: people miss having strong families as the norm, people miss a society which respected and upheld God, people miss order and people miss having a community with common roots.
And while it is true that this is a war and that this is fundamentally about arresting the reigns of power from the current incompetents or malignant actors in charge(those two groups are mixed up) the reality is that not everyone’s a hero and not everyone’s supposed to make a Herculean charge to wrestle the machine, there’s a reason why people want to marry young and have lots of kids and a simple life, the old “3 acres and a cow” and the reason is that it’s because it is rewarding and what the average commoner needs to have a dignified life and build a family, those people also have their role to play since the demographic battle will be won by those who have children and then pass down their values to their children, not everyone’s supposed to be a hero or great men, everyone has their role to play.
Many of the parents of the homeschooled and Christian-schooled young men have two gods. They worship Jesus, but they also worship status. The kids who fall away from the Christian faith of their parents usually do so because they choose their parents' god of status as the greater of the two. The kind of young men who capture institutions don't do so by seeking status. They create a new status system based on the strength of their convictions and beliefs. That is what needs to happen.
Catholic traditionalists that I know are above average in the metric of virtue....the only metric that matters. Friend, we are ALL members of a cult. Choose yours wisely.
Defining "trad" would be helpful. While the Little House on the Prairie crowd is a real thing, I know many ardent traditionalists working in media, finance, medicine, federal LEO roles, etc. Not every TLM attendee is an ignorant peasant, as this article seems to imply. Also, not everyone is cut out for the elite. Those people should not be told that they are failing their Country and their family by aspiring in proportion to their abilities.
Like protestants are solo-scriptura Christians I would consider trads as solo-missa Catholics. The idea that the Latin Mass and large families alone will stop the spread of the errors of communism without action.
This article lacks coherence. The author seems to be attempting to criticize some theory about how young people should go about their lives in their 20s, but this isn't specified. Who are these "trads?" What precisely are they saying? There is a lot of random criticism of advice given to young adults, but nothing offered in its place. Something about a vague battle to be fought. How? We are not told.
Education is great. We really do need more of our people in the commanding heights, but counseling literally everyone to spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to college is idiotic. That's a huge problem we have. The trades can be a solid route to local influence in the community. If Zoomer Zane has a 105 IQ, why send him into debt slavery at college?
Eschewing family? Why? If the culture can produce warrior monks, then so be it. But can it? It can't even produce good fathers (mostly because women refuse to be good wives and mothers). Why counsel families to contracept and avoid having children? Is it worth it to win the temporal battle but lose our souls?
Maybe we have to fight with the army we have. Maybe we have to play the long game. I wish the author the best with his education!
Like most articles published here it was a bunch of observations/complaints and then no actionable plan.
Get married have children and be there for your family. That will change the world! My dad was a door to door milkman , my parents had four children three boys and a girl, we live in a very small two bedroom converted attic home, the brother closest to me and myself both thought we were rich! Mom said she didn’t have enough at the end of the month to buy us an ice cream cone! We had God fearing parents who were wonderful ! You can’t get richer than that!
Exactly. The Holy Family did more for the salvation of the world in their quite, hidden life than any disciple of Machiavelli.
Take it from an old Catholic deacon from liberal California, when you see your old friends and family members broken hearted because they didn't have kids or their kids aren't producing grandchildren, you will know the devastating effect of the "small family mentality." When I see young couples in their late 20's and 30's come into the church to discuss getting married and we discuss Catholic teaching on contraception, they usually get a desperate look in their eyes and say, don't worry, we just hope we can have have kids. That is when I see the shocking effect of the "Wait until we get through college and get settled in our career" mentality. Psalm 90 says, "Lord let us know the shortness of our lives." These are wise words.
Tough read here. Getting "Old man yells at clouds" vibes.
100% agree
You lost me at Machiavelli. The evangelical counsels are poverty, chastity, and obedience. They’re counsels because that’s how Jesus expects most people to live and all people to at least some degree. More was accomplished by St. Joseph the carpenter living by these simple principles than all those who habituated themselves to the lust for power and money.
There might be some few who, like Catherine of Siena, Joan of Arc, or Daniel, first schooled in the discipline of prayer and confirmed in grace, might be called to take up heroic roles of leadership. There might also be some who already find themselves elites, like Louis IX or Richard Cœur de Lion, that are called to heroic leadership due to their state in life. However, to blank call for the masses to enter into the arena like this is to call people to corruption and hell.
Sorry, I'll read the rest later, busy harvesting Summer fruit crops and veggies with my wife, In preparation for the Dormition and the rest of the year.
I agree with the article!
I love the Latin Mass but some families call themselves “the new vendee” but then cowardly say they can’t fight their school board or library because they don’t want any negative attention on their family.
Sister Lucia complained about this in Portugal. She said the faith for most was a nice jacket people would wear on Sundays and on the rest of the week they were indistinguishable from their atheist and socialist neighbors.
It won’t, and the reason it won’t is because people yearn for it.
The people who yearn for it(myself included) and the people who got to see a glimpse of it(also myself included…growing up in a mix of rural and urban environments really showed me the contrast) simply want this:
A high trust, orderly, relatively homogenous and religious society.
That’s all there is to it.
It isn’t a call for technological Luddism or for a literal return to the past but rather a return for the Geist or spirit of the past, people miss the order, the social structures, the absence of crime and the sense of unity provided by relative ideological, religious and yes to a degree also ethnic homogeneity.
These things are grounding and rewarding because they are ultimately true: people miss having strong families as the norm, people miss a society which respected and upheld God, people miss order and people miss having a community with common roots.
And while it is true that this is a war and that this is fundamentally about arresting the reigns of power from the current incompetents or malignant actors in charge(those two groups are mixed up) the reality is that not everyone’s a hero and not everyone’s supposed to make a Herculean charge to wrestle the machine, there’s a reason why people want to marry young and have lots of kids and a simple life, the old “3 acres and a cow” and the reason is that it’s because it is rewarding and what the average commoner needs to have a dignified life and build a family, those people also have their role to play since the demographic battle will be won by those who have children and then pass down their values to their children, not everyone’s supposed to be a hero or great men, everyone has their role to play.
You don't win a war by running away from battle
Many of the parents of the homeschooled and Christian-schooled young men have two gods. They worship Jesus, but they also worship status. The kids who fall away from the Christian faith of their parents usually do so because they choose their parents' god of status as the greater of the two. The kind of young men who capture institutions don't do so by seeking status. They create a new status system based on the strength of their convictions and beliefs. That is what needs to happen.
Catholic traditionalists are a cult, and they are among the worst human beings I have ever known.
Catholic traditionalists that I know are above average in the metric of virtue....the only metric that matters. Friend, we are ALL members of a cult. Choose yours wisely.